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This is a more gently worded version of a post that has disappeared. The original fruity wording probably fell foul of several Forum rules: apologies Mr Moderator. For future Forum searchers: If you are thinking of buying Wavelab 7 Elements, you need to know that it requires an eLicenser USB dongle or (as far as I can ascertain from the ambigous wording on the website and documentation) a current live internet connection every time you run it. I am contributing this information because its is very far from obvious when you buy the application. The eLicenser is mentioned in the small print for the full version of Wavelab, which may be defensible (by someone who doesn't understand the limitations of software protection) for an expensive app aimed at high-end studios. The cheaper versions of Wavelab have historically not used dongles (neither did the full version until recently), so the vendor could not reasonably expect you to know that the app is encumbered in this way. This matters for a number of reasons: 1.

If you intend to use it on a laptop, you may (like me) resent having your i/o capacity diminished by an oft-cracked software protection scheme that is of no real use to either you or Steinberg. You could of course carry a USB hub around, which is inconvenient. The price of the dongle (and probably the USB hub) adds a meaningful hidden cost to what is otherwise a sub-US$100 application. If you want to use the app on a laptop and a desktop, you will have to swap the dongle around between the machines (or maybe buy two. Dunno if the software allows that until I do some more non-value-adding research). Another inconvenience. You need to download, learn and maintain the eLicenser Centre software as well as the app itself.

If Steinberg really feel they have to use dongles (and a quick internet trawl will show how completely ineffective they are at stopping piracy), then they should clearly warn buyers before purchase because they significantly diminish the ergonomics and economics of the application. My original post was much less patient than this, partly because I was faced with another two hours of messing around with dongles and software, having been trying since Thursday of last week to get an uncorrupted copy of the app downloaded. Well, now you know.

Frequent Poster Posts: 1280 Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:00 am Location: Officially, I do not exist. Just looked at their site again.

In fact the site specifically says you don't need a dongle: 'The USB-eLicenser is included in all retail versions of Wavelab 7. It is not required to run Wavelab Elements 7.'

Until they get busy with their content management system (after which you will have to ask me for the screen grab I just took), you can see this at: Either the site is misworded, or the installer is poorly written. And guess what? No online tech support available for buyers in my country. Either way: caveat emptor This is my first Steinberg purchase since Cubase SL2. Now I remember why. Frequent Poster Posts: 1280 Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:00 am Location: Officially, I do not exist. Thanks C-Bro I read that page, and a couple of links from it.